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bangga
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 Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: Navbar bleeding theme |
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I am building a site with 5 silos, each silo has two articles so far, I'm planning on putting about 10 in each.
So far there are no nav bars within any of the silos, the linking has just been from keywords within the text of each page.
I notice some of the example sites like http://www.allaboutlawns.com and hip-home.com have their complete navbar for every silo on every page. After looking at the code on each site they don't seem to be using no-follow tags on any of the navbars.
Doesn't having a navbar that links to every silo on every page dilute the theming on the site? Would it not be better to include rel=no-follow in the navbar links on article pages within a silo?
Just want to clear this up before I put navbars on my site.
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bangga
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Charles,
One more thing... I noticed on entrepreneur.com that the urls for the links in the nav bar were minus the domain name. So on the navbar one of the buttons was ' franchises', the code for it is:
<li><a href='/franchises/index.html' target='_self' title='Franchises and Franchising'>Franchises</a></li>
It is just the tail of the url with the directory and page file names.
I've noticed my own programmer does this with links sometimes. Does leaving the domain out like this have the same effect as including rel = nofollow in the link?
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WestWing888
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This is something that I am curious about as well. I am using Rapid Niche Websites to build my TMP sites with themeing/siloing. Its a solid piece of software but I have concerns about the top menu and theme bleeding because as it stands now with the current menu all my silos are cross linked with each other because of the top menu.
I read here on this forum to use a Java menu as that cannot be followed by the SE bots and I constructed one using CoffeeCup software and this is what the CoffeeCup sofware created menu looks like within CoffeeCup software preview...
... but I don't know how to put it in my subheader as RNW uses primarily PHP code due to Wordpress. I also tryed inserting it into a post (RNW software implements Wordpress as a base) but that didn't work. The support is top notch at the RNW forum but when I brought up the issue of theme bleeding due to the top menu the response from the support staff was (paraphrased) "a little theme bleeding isn't worth doing a Java menu". Again I love the RNW software and RNW staff gives top notch support except in this regard.
Any thoughts on dealing with top menu theme bleeding would be appreciated.
Best regards,
Mike
| bangga wrote: | I am building a site with 5 silos, each silo has two articles so far, I'm planning on putting about 10 in each.
So far there are no nav bars within any of the silos, the linking has just been from keywords within the text of each page.
I notice some of the example sites like http://www.allaboutlawns.com and hip-home.com have their complete navbar for every silo on every page. After looking at the code on each site they don't seem to be using no-follow tags on any of the navbars.
Doesn't having a navbar that links to every silo on every page dilute the theming on the site? Would it not be better to include rel=no-follow in the navbar links on article pages within a silo?
Just want to clear this up before I put navbars on my site.
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Charles Heflin
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: Navbar bleeding theme |
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| bangga wrote: | I am building a site with 5 silos, each silo has two articles so far, I'm planning on putting about 10 in each.
So far there are no nav bars within any of the silos, the linking has just been from keywords within the text of each page.
I notice some of the example sites like http://www.allaboutlawns.com and hip-home.com have their complete navbar for every silo on every page. After looking at the code on each site they don't seem to be using no-follow tags on any of the navbars.
Doesn't having a navbar that links to every silo on every page dilute the theming on the site? Would it not be better to include rel=no-follow in the navbar links on article pages within a silo?
Just want to clear this up before I put navbars on my site.
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Yes, this causes theme bleeding. AllAboutLawns would probably rank better if they used nofollow strategy in their nav links.
Do not use the rel=nofoolow attribute... Use the robots.txt nofollow mehod as described here:
http://www.seo2020.com/lsi/avoid-theme-bleeding.html
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Charles Heflin
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| bangga wrote: | Charles,
One more thing... I noticed on entrepreneur.com that the urls for the links in the nav bar were minus the domain name. So on the navbar one of the buttons was ' franchises', the code for it is:
<li><a href='/franchises/index.html' target='_self' title='Franchises and Franchising'>Franchises</a></li>
It is just the tail of the url with the directory and page file names.
I've noticed my own programmer does this with links sometimes. Does leaving the domain out like this have the same effect as including rel = nofollow in the link?
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No this does not have the same effect... the server understands the core URL of each page so it is not necessary (but adviseable) to include the full URL in all links.
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Charles Heflin
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| WestWing888 wrote: | This is something that I am curious about as well. I am using Rapid Niche Websites to build my TMP sites with themeing/siloing. Its a solid piece of software but I have concerns about the top menu and theme bleeding because as it stands now with the current menu all my silos are cross linked with each other because of the top menu.
I read here on this forum to use a Java menu as that cannot be followed by the SE bots and I constructed one using CoffeeCup software and this is what the CoffeeCup sofware created menu looks like within CoffeeCup software preview...
... but I don't know how to put it in my subheader as RNW uses primarily PHP code due to Wordpress. I also tryed inserting it into a post (RNW software implements Wordpress as a base) but that didn't work. The support is top notch at the RNW forum but when I brought up the issue of theme bleeding due to the top menu the response from the support staff was (paraphrased) "a little theme bleeding isn't worth doing a Java menu". Again I love the RNW software and RNW staff gives top notch support except in this regard.
Any thoughts on dealing with top menu theme bleeding would be appreciated.
Best regards,
Mike
| bangga wrote: | I am building a site with 5 silos, each silo has two articles so far, I'm planning on putting about 10 in each.
So far there are no nav bars within any of the silos, the linking has just been from keywords within the text of each page.
I notice some of the example sites like http://www.allaboutlawns.com and hip-home.com have their complete navbar for every silo on every page. After looking at the code on each site they don't seem to be using no-follow tags on any of the navbars.
Doesn't having a navbar that links to every silo on every page dilute the theming on the site? Would it not be better to include rel=no-follow in the navbar links on article pages within a silo?
Just want to clear this up before I put navbars on my site.
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Ditch the java menu in RNW and then use the robots.txt nofollow method for all your nav links... If RNW supports this I am not sure.
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WestWing888
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Hi Charles,
I don't think its a question of RNW supporting robots.txt, question is does Wordpress support robots.txt the way straight HTML sites do. RNW sits on top Wordpress so its primarily a formatting tool with some extra options. The top menu is made from "categories" not posts which further adds to the issue. Additionally, my understanding is Wordpress is database oriented so not sure how to implement this with robots.txt. I think everything is connected in Wordpress being that it is database oriented, so changing one thing affects another and so on. Not sure.
Best regards,
Mike
| Charles Heflin wrote: | Ditch the java menu in RNW and then use the robots.txt nofollow method for all your nav links... If RNW supports this I am not sure.
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Charles Heflin
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| WestWing888 wrote: | Hi Charles,
I don't think its a question of RNW supporting robots.txt, question is does Wordpress support robots.txt the way straight HTML sites do. RNW sits on top Wordpress so its primarily a formatting tool with some extra options. The top menu is made from "categories" not posts which further adds to the issue. Additionally, my understanding is Wordpress is database oriented so not sure how to implement this with robots.txt. I think everything is connected in Wordpress being that it is database oriented, so changing one thing affects another and so on. Not sure.
Best regards,
Mike
| Charles Heflin wrote: | Ditch the java menu in RNW and then use the robots.txt nofollow method for all your nav links... If RNW supports this I am not sure.
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Jeff Walters of RNW should be able to answer this for you. Have you tried contacting him?
I know he is a member of this forum... try sending him a PM... his username is JeffWalters.
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sidhale
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Joined: 26 Jul 2006
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Location: Midlothian, VA
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Hi Mike,
| WestWing888 wrote: | | I don't think its a question of RNW supporting robots.txt, question is does Wordpress support robots.txt the way straight HTML sites do. RNW sits on top Wordpress so its primarily a formatting tool with some extra options. The top menu is made from "categories" not posts which further adds to the issue. Additionally, my understanding is Wordpress is database oriented so not sure how to implement this with robots.txt. I think everything is connected in Wordpress being that it is database oriented, so changing one thing affects another and so on. Not sure. |
Think of the robots.txt file as an "override". No matter how your navigation is built on a site, the major spiders will honor the robots.txt entries for "nofollow".
Be careful, however.
By attempting to eliminate the minimal theme bleed (whether with the robots.txt file or with a javascript navigation script), you can absolutely DESTROY the spiders ability to follow your internal linking structure. If you're not careful, you'll paint yourself into a corner and the search engines won't find your silos - much less the pages within them.
This can totally KILL your ability to get individual pages indexed, and if they aren't indexed, they won't get ranked in the SERPS.
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Charles Heflin
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: |
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Good point Sid,
You must know what you are doing before herding the spiders.
Make sure there is an open path for the spiders to follow each of your silos right to the bottom of each silo.
In other words a full spiderable path needs to exist outside of your user navigation.
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