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Charles Heflin Administrator
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themezoom Administrator
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A_LeBoeuf SEO White Belt
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Hi Russell,
Matt seems non-plussed about the idea of directories. He doesn't subscribe to the idea that it would help much. We were under the impression that it would make a world of difference.
Care to elaborate on that please?
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rento SEO Yellow Belt
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Charles Heflin Administrator
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| A_LeBoeuf wrote: | Hi Russell,
Matt seems non-plussed about the idea of directories. He doesn't subscribe to the idea that it would help much. We were under the impression that it would make a world of difference.
Care to elaborate on that please?
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Which video did you hear this? I must have missed it.
Thanks,
Charles
P.S. Where did you get the impression that directories would make a world of difference?
Directory submissions are one tiny ounce of a much bigger picture. We use them here as a tool to gain indexing and that's about it. |
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JoeCool SEO Yellow Belt
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Thanks for the shortcut Rento,
that one's now in my Google Bookmarks!
Best Regards,
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A_LeBoeuf SEO White Belt
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Charles Heflin wrote: | | A_LeBoeuf wrote: | Hi Russell,
Matt seems non-plussed about the idea of directories. He doesn't subscribe to the idea that it would help much. We were under the impression that it would make a world of difference.
Care to elaborate on that please?
Anne and Bernie |
Which video did you hear this? I must have missed it.
Thanks,
Charles
P.S. Where did you get the impression that directories would make a world of difference?
Directory submissions are one tiny ounce of a much bigger picture. We use them here as a tool to gain indexing and that's about it. |
Sorry about the confusion,
1. we were referring to the video relating to silos that themezoom posted:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1156145545372854697
Matt Cutts does not seem to think it would make much difference.
2. as to directories we meant directories on our computer that we create for silos not the ones which are websites.
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Charles Heflin Administrator
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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It appears that he directly supports a silo structure for a site. In the video Matt says that he prefers tree like architecture broken down by topic. Keywords end up in directories (folders) naturally as a result of this.
Silo strucutre is a tree like architecture.
According to Matt keywords in the URL don't matter "that much"... He does not say that they don't matter.
What I take from his answer is that keywords in the URL will appear naturally as you categorize your site into directories (silos).
I have attempted to watch the video again... but... it is temporarily unavailable DOH! |
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themezoom Administrator
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: Matt Cutts |
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Hi folks,
It is important that you listen very closely to what Matt is actually saying.
This is why I have transcribed it directly. He is, I believe, speaking about this as it relates directly "keyword placement".
I would also add there there is pretty difinitive research on folders versus .html for high ranking pages- at least statiticailly probable reason to believe that it DOES matter if there is a folder or a extension.
The confusion is if the succes of directory based sites is DIRECT or INDIRECT. See my paper below.
Remember, as soon as there is a TECHNIQUE or a METHOD there is a tendency to miss the big picture.
I believe there is a COMBINATION of factors that directories influence the Google scoring bot with.
- Russell
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Matt Cutts: How to structure a site?
SEO tips straight from Google’s mouth . . . well almost.
The following is a brief summary of the SEO videos created by Google employee Matt Cutts. Matt is also named as one of the inventors on the Google Patent. This summary is provided compliments of Theme Zoom ™
1 Matt (paraphrased): There are over 5,000 languages spoken on planet earth. Google supports around 100. watch the video.
TZ comment: Be sure to see http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en for more information on Google’s foreign language search engines.
2 Matt (paraphrased): Generally Google won’t penalize for a 301 redirects when done properly- especially since the sites were very related to the theme and topic of the original site.
3 Question: How do I theme a website using directories? Do you put your main keyword in a directory or on your index page? If using directories, do you use a directory for each set of keywords?
Matt (exact transcript): This is a good question. I think you are thinking too much about your keywords and not enough about your website architecture. So . . . this is just for me . . . I prefer a tree-like architecture so everything branches out in nice sort of “even paths”. Its also good if things are broken down by topic. So if you are selling “clothes” you might have “sweaters” as one directory and “shoes” as another directory or something like that.
If you do that sort of thing, what you end up with is your keywords do sit in directories. As far as directories versus the actual name of the html file- that doesn’t really matter that much within Google scoring algorithm. So I think if you break it down by topic but make sure that the topic matches well with the keywords you expert your users to type in when they try to find your page then you should be in pretty good shape.
TZ comment: Wow! When you organize your website into directories based on topics, products, brands or themes . . . it simplifies the task of planning your specific content and keyword strategies at the same time.
While this is the first time any official from Google has ever stated directly that the Google scoring algorithm does not take into account “folder” versus “html” file relative to keyword placement, definitive statistical analysis has been performed by Search Engine Geek that reveals that sites with /folders/ in the URL tend to rank higher overall by a hefty margin. This is because if focuses on THEMES and TOPICS rather than becoming fixated on specific keywords.
There are several other indirect factors that tend to give well planned directory architecture the edge. Some of these factors may be indirect to the scoring algorithm. Whatever the case, you will simply be structured in a way that works both for your visitors and for the spiders.
4 Matt (paraphrased): You want to show the exact same parameters to users as you do to Google-bot. When you treat Google-bot differently than you treat a user, you start veering into the realm of “cloaking”. When you have long and nasty query strings (from shopping carts) it is best NOT to serve up html pages that are different to Google-bot in order to get indexed. The best way to fix long and “nasty” session ID based URL strings is to do a “MOD-REWRITE”.
- The Theme Zoom Staff |
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